We meet this famous Italian at theSTØLEN, where he has held  
theFOREDRAG about the Norwegian IDENTITET.

( From theBOK "VIRKELIGE NORWAY" by Thomas Wollnick © and Erling Okkenhaug © )

Virkelige Norway: Why is Norway so interesting to an Italian professor?

Francesco Barmettler: To me it is very fascinating to see how theHVERDAG has its focus around theTUN, which is the Italian equivalent of the piazza. But theTUN is not as it used to be of course. When we talk about theTUN now it is in another sense.

Virkelige Norway: Which sense?Anything to do with theMARKED?

Francesco Barmettler: No, nothing at all. Well, if we use MARKED in the sense that theFOLK go to theTUN and buy and sell goods from each other, yes, but it has nothing at all to do with the term MARKED when used in the European perspective.

Virkelige Norway: Will you please give us some examples of what you think is the Norwegian IDENTITET?

Francesco Barmettler: First of all, I send my best wishes to the people in theOVERALT, who are theSTOLT of being so close to theNORPOLEN. I think an analysis of the Norwegian SPRÅK is the best approach to finding theIDENTITET: theANORAKK , theTORSK, theVIDDA, theJETTEGRYTE, theRYGGSEKK - these are words full of power and profound meaning, and at the same time they give a peculiar sound which comes from theRØTTER.

Virkelige Norway: TheRØTTER?

Francesco Barmettler: Yes, I find that the singing sound of theNorwegian SPRÅK has a connection with the wind that moves theTRÆR, and theTRÆR have theRØTTER. We can say that theRØTTER are theFUNDAMENT of our life on theJORD. Allora...... I think I lost theSPOR?

Virkelige Norway: Well. What do you think is the Norwegian FOLK's best quality?

Francesco Barmettler: Ha ha ha. There are many good qualities inside the Norwegian people, but there is one thing I would especially like to mention, and that is the PEER TYPER who usually live and work in Rome for theVirkelige Norway.

Virkelige Norway: The Italians have a strong historical atmosphere in their daily life. How do you think this acts upon their SELVTILLIT?

Francesco Barmettler: Historical memories are always present in theLIV for everybody, but I guess you asked me this question in order to have me say something about theNorwegian SELVTILLIT. I would very much like to take this opportunity to say that theKU and theRAUT are the best examples of the authentic northern sound.

Virkelige Norway: The very position of Norway, on the outskirts of Europe - how do you think this influences theIDENTITET?

Francesco Barmettler: In two ways. TheNorwegian FOLK travel a lot, both mentally and with theGRUPPEREISER. IBSEN tried to capture theÅND in PEER, who is both real and unreal at the same time. I think that theGRUPPEREISER's popularity has nothing to do with the cold winters, but that theNorwegians have a PEER deep inside.

Virkelige Norway: What kind of HÅP do you find in MOR ÅSE, in comparison with the modern European woman?

Francesco Barmettler: I believe more in theBUDEIE than the European woman, who I think has been invented by big business. I think that theSELVBILDE is much stronger with some BUDEIER around. At the same time I would like to pay my respects to the Norwegian Prime Minister, who happens to be a BUDEIE.

Virkelige Norway: MOR ÅSE?

Francesco Barmettler: "LØKEN PEER, LØKEN in thePØLSA." Ha ha.

Virkelige Norway: In an article about Norway published in Virkelige Norway last week you talked about Norway's special connection with both theJORD and theOLJE. The oil is the moneymaker in the family, whereas theJORD has a huge role in our history and culture.

Francesco Barmettler: Very interesting combination. And I think that this is a starting point when looking for central RØTTER. And maybe some of theFORVIR-RING we see today has its source here. Try to drive a car on the theBRØD or live on OLJE - neither will function. TheIDENTITET moves you forward faster than money. In America, where money is the identity, you cannot say who does the driving, but in Norway there is a strong division between these two. But again, theTYSKE RENTE. Ha ha ha.

Virkelige Norway: What would you say is Norway's foremost national SYMBOL?

Francesco Barmettler: TheVIDDA.

Virkelige Norway: Do you see any similarities between Norway and Italy?

Francesco Barmettler: Yes I do, many. For instance, in Italy we have, as already mentioned, the piazza, the place where people meet, in different sizes and styles. And when I have travelled through Norway I have seen many TUN, and they remind me very much of the piazzas. But when it comes to theBYER I cannot say that I am very IMPONERT. I think here the connection between theJORD and theOLJE has got out of control. It seems to me that theBYPLANLEGGER is not quite aware of his posizione in the universe. Oslo is Oslo and Paris is Paris. Take a look at theTUN next time, and remember that some things are smaller and some things are bigger. In the heads of planners and entrepeneurs, things very easily grow too big.

Virkelige Norway: Have you been to LILLEHAMMER?

Francesco Barmettler: Oh yes, but what is going on up there? Someone told me that the Coca Cola Company is going to have their annual festival there in February. But why do they have to build everything so big for that?

Virkelige Norway: ....hm. We are going to host the Olympic Winter Games in February, don't you know that?

Francesco Barmettler: Don't you have something called theFARRIS, a very good aqua minerale? What happened to it? I will tell Tomba to bring his own aqua Pellegrino.

Virkelige Norway: What do you think about theNorwegian media picture?

Francesco Barmettler: I think it is very funny. In a little land with only four million people, you have very strong media. Too strong maybe. Through a research study, a colleague in Rome has found out that there are five main media channels in Norway: AFTENPOSTEN, VG, DAGBLADET, NRK and TV2 and each of them is so strong that whatever the one says must be true, and vice versa. Maybe this is closer to the old Pravda than you think?

Virkelige Norway: What do you think about the content?

Francesco Barmettler: Believe me, there are many good people working in the Norwegian press. I am only trying to suggest something that has come to my mind lately, and that is that it is very interesting to try to understand society's production of words in the press, compared with the daily intake of nothing but MORO. I do not think that theAVIS should be that MORO, or as we see today very dramatic or pathetic. I think, or hope, for Norway that the return of theSTORE AVISER will bring a more realistic description of only theINTERESSANTE NYHETER. TheLIV and the murder belong to the streets. TheAVISER must give us reports and descriptions, not try to simulate them. There are only two World Wars per century, not one every day when someone steals a car. If I can say something about theLIV in general, it has become very SYNTETISK all over the western world lately. And the result is that people are put in the fake TUN. TheKJØPESENTER is one of these. People think that this is the way it should be, but this is not so, and in a lovely country like Norway with not too many big houses, theKJØPESENTER is doing very much damage to theSMÅ MILJØER. The arteries of the city, the streets, are emptied by huge magnets with no interest other than shopping. I like shopping. Shopping today gives us easier access to each other, rather than spending 15 hours on horseback, and was one of the reasons theFOLK invented theBY. Without shopping theBY is dead. But what I have seen in Oslo is in fact exactly the opposite. By building some huge KJØPESENTRE in and just outside Oslo theBYPLANLEGGER is in fact eating himself up. Only the TUNELLER are left for people walking to and from theKJØPESENTRE.

Virkelige Norway: Interesting. Tell us more!

Francesco Barmettler: Well, a city is always in theBEVEGELSE. Something has to go, and something new is being built. That's how it is. And the city has its own rules which you have to understand. For instance, with modern construction techniques and methods, it is possible to play a trick with theBY's tid. You simply cannot open a new BYDEL theKLOKKA TRE on a Saturday. That's breaking every bone in your body before you have started theLIV. Very often things like these are theSPRENGT I LUFTA after a long period of theFORFALL.

Virkelige Norway: How do you find car driving in Norway in comparison with driving in Italy?

Francesco Barmettler: The best way to notice that you are not in the middle of Europe, is an analysis of why and how theBIL ended in theGRØFTA. Ha ha ha. The roads have become anonymous cathedrals. Very democratic. Everybody thinks he has a share but must pay at theBOMSTASJON. And moreover, the roads are only packed in theFELLESFERIE. Who is behind? Any connection with the casa nostra?

Virkelige Norway: What do you think about Norway's future?

Francesco Barmettler: The future is in the hands of Norway. My grandfather used to tell me when I was a little boy that there was nothing to be afraid of in the world, if you only said to yourself that you know where you stand. That you know your platform. And I think that we can easily transfer this to Norway's possibility or possibilities of keeping its identity and at the same time moving along in history. I try to follow theEF-DEBATT in Norway through different media, and my impression is that people are afraid of being left outside, yet on the other hand, afraid of what they might lose if they are on the inside. I think of course people must lead a discussion on the subject, but what is quite clear to me is that a certain lack of IDENTITET comes into play here, or at least a certain amunt of fear for theUKJENTE. And I see the project Virkelige Norway: as a very important contribution. It does not use a metaphor from theUTSIDE, as a trigger to discuss what Norway is or is not, but it focusses on the things which are here forever. As I said before, some things are smaller and some things are bigger. Today has gone tomorrow, and Rome was not built in one day!

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